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Thursday, October 29, 2009
Go vote on the Fire Divas Blog.
Monday, October 12, 2009
Dinner @ Justin & Sara's new apartment





My older son, Justin & his lovely GF, Sara, moved in together last month into an apartment in Park Slope. Due to our varied schedules, Larry & I didn't get to go see it till last night. We forgot to take any pics so I've "borrowed" these from Sara's facebook pics from when they 1st moved in. It looks nice & lived in now & they've really made it theirs.
They now have a small table in front of the huge bay window that looks out onto Lincoln Place. That is where they served us dinner last night. Justin made delicious hamburgers that he made in the grill pan I bought for them. And Sara made yummy brussel sprouts and mashed potatoes for sides. Even Larry, who's not into veggies, had some.
For dessert we brought some fresh fruit at their request since they wanted to eat healthy. But then when we went on a walk around the neighborhood, they took us to a cute little bakery that they love & we bought all kinds of goodies to take back to the apt. for dessert. It was a fun evening and it was great seeing them both so happy.
Saturday, October 03, 2009
October Weekend Shopping Extravaganza
I will extend the same offer to any purchases from my
ArtFire. Just click on Etsy or ArtFire to be taken to my shops. Here's a sampling of some items from both shops:
Etsy:



ArtFire:


Wednesday, September 09, 2009
Return From Glass Stock!

I thought that posting on my return would be a sad thing, but I am still so hyped up on all that I learned & the fabulous people I met that I'm still on cloud 9.
For those that don't know, Glass Stock (GS from now on) is a 4 day lampwork festival put on by Deb Crowley in Oregon once a year. Attendees are selected by lottery from the numerous applicants. Approximately 1/2 the attendees are returnees. The rest are all newcomers to the event like me.
Deb had a meet & greet at her house on Wednesday night prior to the actual event. It was nice to see who else would be there though also a bit overwhelming....maybe due in part to my long plane ride, but all my fab roomies were also newbies so I felt safe. Early the next morning immediately following the safety meeting, everyone had to do a demo. I had been dreading this for some time, but being that my name was somewhere near the middle, I had a chance to watch others and my fear subsided somewhat. Here I am doing my demo (photo courtesy of Maggie MacDonald)
Classes started following lunch. I can't remember the order but I had an enameling class with Jennifer Geldard and a fun wire crochet class with Doretha Jones, AKA Dr. Meow. I had an electroforming and PMC class with Bernie and sat in on an incredible fish bead class with Deb. There was a fab class taught by the amazing Mark McCourt on his curly pendants. He's a wonderful, patient instructor with a lovely humble way about him. Last but not least was a coil potted and hollow bead class taught by Hugh Salkind of Eugene Glass School.
There were also some fun night time activities, such as pajama jam and crazy hat night and a few other fun things plus open torch every night where you could practice what you had learned during the day.
I felt so energized and inspired watching all these hugely talented glass artists demo for us and have them share their techniques with us so freely. Huge kudos to Deb Crowley for putting this all together for us. I can't imagine how much work & planning goes into such an event and I feel blessed to have been able to attend. Thanks Deb!
Roze rockin' the torch:
My roomies:
Friday, August 28, 2009
Glassstock in ONE WEEK!!!
Well here we are just a short week away & you would think I'd be prepared, but no, still plenty of trade beads to make & supplies to gather. At this point both my artfire & etsy shops are stocked & I've decided to put everything in both shops for sale @ 20% off till 8/31, giving me enough time to pack up orders & send them on their way on 9/2 before I leave. So, shop away & send me a message to remind me to refund your purchase price by 20%. Anything that's left after that time will be coming with me to Oregon as trade beads.
Thursday, August 20, 2009
From Jewelry to Beads

I wrote a blog entry for another blog & thought that I may not have posted to my own just how I got involved with lampwork. So here's a little bit about myself.....I started out making jewelry over 10 years ago after I was unable to work following spine surgery. I had to find SOMETHING to do to keep myself busy. I had always been creative so naturally when I'd go into a department store to look at the jewelry case, I'd examine the pieces and decide, "I can do that". Unfortunately in those days we didn't use digital cameras (I sound old, don't I?) so no images to share of my early work, but here's a piece I made a little later on. It's made with vintage Swarovski crystals.
It started innocently, just making jewelry for myself until one day one of my DH's employees, knowing that I dabbled in jewelry making, showed me a necklace that someone had given her. It was too bulky for her small frame. I took it apart for her & made her a new necklace with matching bracelet and earrings. She was so thrilled and urged me to go into business.
I did that for several years, but got the bug to try lampwork (glass beadmaking) after taking a class at a local art league. Though my results were sad, to say the least, I know immediately that I loved melting glass and seeing it turn into beads. I saved up & bought all the equipment needed (trust me, this is NOT an inexpensive hobby) and read everything I could get my hands on. I've since taken 2 boro classes as well. I just love the colors that you can get from boro, though oftentimes it's still a mystery.
I find making glass beads mesmerizing. I often fall into a zen-like state while working. Of course there are some challenging beads and days when nothing goes right, but when you open the kiln the morning after a good session and find lovely surprises awaiting, it's just the best feeling. It's like Christmas each & every time. LOL!
So, I know that the journey for many is usually the other way around, from beads to jewelry, but for me it was the jewelry that got me interested in making beads in the 1st place. Now, I love nothing better than to get an e-mail from a customer with a photo of a finished product using MY beads so if you have one, by all means, PLEASE share it with me! And for those of you that are jewelry makers, I also take custom orders if there's something in particular that you'd like.
Friday, August 14, 2009
Look What a Customer Made With My Beads


I woke up to find a nice surprise on my friend Kristen Latimer's blog, a lovely bracelet that she made with beads purchased from my ArtFire shop recently. She's the talented jewelry designer behind MJM Jewelry Designs. Not only is she a talented jewelry designer, but her photographs are wonderful as well. Her designs show off the beads to their best advantage. Beautiful Kristen!
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Fall Harvest on Etsy
I'm so pleased with how these 2 sets of beads came out. They were made at different torch sessions, but they are similar enough in look to be used in the same design if so desired. Of course there are enough beads in each set to use them on their own. Just saying....
First up is a luscious set of boro rounds pictured above, called Fall Harvest, a wonderful set of 6 round handmade artisan boro lampwork beads. The beads are made on a base of topaz glass, with small glass bits in varying shades of green and topaz similar to falling leaves and a ribbon of cranberry glass. The beads measure from 17-19mm and were wound on 3/32" mandrels.
The set below is similar, but in a tab shape, a wonderful set of 5 handmade artisan boro lampwork beads. The beads are made on a base of topaz colored glass, with small glass bits in varying shades of green and topaz similar to falling leaves and a ribbon of cranberry glass. The beads measure from 20x16mm to 25x20mm and were wound on 3/32" mandrels. Both sets are currently available in my etsy shop.
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Lampwork Focal Glass Bead : lajewelrydesigns - ArtFire Glass
Lampwork Focal Glass Bead : lajewelrydesigns - ArtFire Glass
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Sunday, August 02, 2009
Fab Skin Care Products from this ArtFire Shop
Here's a description from the listing...sounds good enough to eat:
You open this bottle and the gentle scent of roses hits your nose and takes you away....nope, it doesnt just smell good, it does good too! It cleanses, moisturizes and might help prevent premature aging and protect against the suns rays
Witch Hazel is one of the best natural cleansers, its cool touch on the skin wakes it up and gently rubs off all the dirtiness without drying it out harshly as any over the counter al-cohol based product would do. It is also said that it helps with oily skin and acne.
Rose Floral Water...wow...I dont know if you noticed, but I have this in a lot of my products. Shhhhhh....thats my secret for making my skin soft....it is said that its a gently cleansing and toning product for all skin types. Maintains the pH balance, stimulates regeneration processes, has a calming effect in acne and sunburns. As a result the skin texture becomes even and elastic.
Green Tea Extract is believed to neutralize the damage done by exposure to UV rays. Since exposure to sunlight is a major factor that ages the skin, it is reasonable to assume that green tea cream could help prevent premature aging.
No one is advocating giving up your sunscreen in favor of green tea just yet, but green tea can definitely help enhance its effectiveness.
Friday, July 24, 2009
Lovely Earrings from JewelryByJoy on ArtFire
Tuesday, July 21, 2009
Forget the Trash, Bring a Towel
The space has been open since July 4th weekend and has hosted barbecues, photo shoots and a film screening, all by invitation only. Macro-Sea, the company behind the pools, is using the project as a template for a larger idea: turning eyesore strip malls into artsy community destinations, with Dumpster pools and other indie attractions.
Can't wait to see one in person!
Trashion
Trash Fashion Face Off starting today in NYC:
Designers use recycled materials 2 come up with fashion designs. I've copied the content below. Sounds like a fun exhibit, pretty cool if you ask me. :)
Gallery 151 (350 Bowery, NYC 10012) invites you to the opening of "TRASHION" the newest exhibit from the Urban Green Initiative - an ongoing series of art exhibitions, music concerts & dance performances that will encourage an artistic approach to ongoing conversations about environmental awareness.
The opening night "Trashion Tuesday", will include a performance by Miz Metro featuring Crosby and saxophonist Alex Violette and a live "TRASH FASHION FACE OFF" where two designers given the same recycled materials will battle to be the "Trashion Queen". Live performances on the chi-chair, and games and toys made of trash to play with. Also featuring an interactive tape wall where gallery goers can become a part of the exhibit with their own tape creations, creating a community mural that will stay up and can be added to through out the duration of the show.
Featured Artists
Dan Walker, Francis Stallings, Patrick Sheely, Rolando Politi, David Levine, Kristy Leibowitz
Miz Metro, Marcus Jefferson, Kipton Hinsdale, Jennifer Harris, Kate Goldwater, Walker Fee
Zev Deans, ClockWork Cros, Boneman, Isaac Aden.
Monday, July 20, 2009
Crazy Train on ArtFire
I'm a newbie member to the ArtFire Crazy Train. Fellow artisans work hard to promote one another. Today's shop of the day is Andrea Designs. Andrea is a fabulous knitter. Look at this awesome shawl that she knit. A beautiful accessory for a night out on the town. I'm a pink person so am partial to this:
Check out this awesome treasury on etsy west!
Sunday, July 19, 2009
I LOVE PURPLE!!!!

OK, so I'm not one of those people that ONLY dresses in purple, but it is one of my favorite colors, along with teal, turquoise, lime green and olive green. I've been needing a new laptop for quite awhile now. My desktop is approaching 9 years (hate to think how many that is in human years....do you think it's like dogs??) and has been on it's last leg for some time now. I never had a DVD drive and my CD & A drives don't work. I found this out when I attempted to delete some programs & reinstall them due to virtual memory issues, only to see that the CD drive, or was it driver?? had big scary yellow notes next to it.
If you haven't noticed yet, I'm not great with computer terminology. I can work a computer without a problem, but that's about it. So, even though we really can't afford it right now, there wasn't much choice due to it's pending doom. So, DH finally ordered me a new one tonight.......and, it's PURPLE!!! Black was the free color, but for $40 more, DH treated me. Isn't he the best???.
It's made by Dell. It's the Studio 15 model. It's supposed to be the most lightweight of their laptops, which is important for me with my neck issues. We lucked out too. We had gotten a promo pamphlet in the mail from Dell earlier in the week and we saved over $100 & free shipping with the promotion so he decided to treat me. OK, so I had to beg before he agree, but he DID agree in the end. :)
Now I just need to keep my fingers crossed that the PC lasts another 2 weeks till the laptop is delivered.
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Finished up a large custom order (for me)
The last of the beads is in the kiln now, warm and toasty. Tomorrow I'll take them out, clean them out real well, removing all traces of bead release and pack them up safe and securely for their journey to Barbara. Oh & of course I'll take some photos too. Will post them later in the week.
Thursday, May 28, 2009
ArtFire's $12/Month For Life Offer!!!
So for a brief period of time, they're offering membership for $12/month FOR LIFE guaranteed! And, as if that's not enough, if you refer at least 12 new members through your personal link, then you'll get FREE MEMBERSHIP for yourself & 1 friend. How awesome is that?!??
For those of you that have websites that are just sitting there, check out ArtFire's new Fusion Studios. Each shop owner can customize their look, whether it's to match to their own site or just to have a look that is a reflection of their personal style. I am SO IMPRESSED with how much AF has done in so little time!
What is Art Fire?
Art Fire is a handmade marketplace that works for you. You can sell anything handmade items assembled by you, handmade art, fine art, crafts and collectibles. Supplies and vintage items that support handmade artists needs. Design and media items which the member/designer actively participated in the creative process.
Do your products fit the description above?
With that price, you'll get:Most of all, ArtFire still has their Free For Life program going on! Get 10 sign ups to get your free account for life!
- Unlimited listing for your store. You can list as many products as you'd like for $12/month and there are no listing fees! Imagine how much money you can save!
- Free membership for those content with just listing 10 items.
- Up to 10 photos/listing for Verified Members. This is extremely useful for those with high detail products.
- Virtually unlimited place for tagging. The CEO even encouraged us to tag our products with as many related words we can think of. This will help the internet spider find your product on search.
- ArtFire will submit your products to Google Base and we also get statistics that you can view on your ArtFire page and further detailed statistic on Goggle Analytics.
- Their Rapid Cart is doubled as a Shop Window and Cash Register.
- A Personalized Fusion Studio. Big banner, customized theme and colors, add html, videos, and many more to your studio. This is something other handmade venues do not offer.
- And many more!
So don't pass up this good deal and Register on ArtFire for $12/month now.
Monday, May 18, 2009
The weatherman LIED!
I was so hoping to torch, but they say possible showers now for today. Think they can be wrong again??? Keeping my fingers crossed.
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Belated Mother's Day Wishes to All!
My sister who lives out of state came in cause it was not only Mother's Day, but it was also my mother's 88th birthday on Sunday. We went out for a lovely brunch with the family out east and then relaxed and played board games.
Then when the hub and kids left to go home cause they all had work the next day, the 3 of us stayed for a couple of days & had a fun girls only few days. My mother tends to be more & more of a hermit the older she gets, so it was nice to get her out of the house if even for just a few days. We took a long drive, went for walks on the beach, out to eat & of course SHOPPING!!!
Saturday, May 09, 2009
Slept through a Thunderstorm Last Night
Friday, May 08, 2009
UGH!!! Migraine AGAIN!!!
And of course today was the FIRST nice day all week, with no rain. I was tempted to go out & torch anyway, but somehow the thought of staring at a flame for hours on end, even thru my didys, somehow just didn't seem appealing. Oh well.....at least it's FINALLY subsided.
Monday, May 04, 2009
Well I got a fun surprise from my friend Billie Sanchez of Wicked Oak Designs who makes awesome beadwoven creations.........a Kreativ Blogger Award!!! How cool is that?!?? How wonderful of her. I read her post there and I have to post 7 of my favorite things and then give the award to 7 other blogs.So let's begin.....
Favorite things
1. lampwork beads
2. seedbeads
3. beading of any kind
4. my family (hubby, kids, GF's and of course grandma)
5. My beading buddy Linda
6. chocolate
7. ice cream (what list would be complete without chocolate & ice cream???)
Now the people to nominate
1. http://dailyjewel.blogspot.com
2. http://szarka.blogspot.com/
3. http://360.yahoo.com/profile-zp3g71Y2f6O.pHXAcyA9
4. http://lisaliddy.wordpress.com/
5. http://calysdayatthebeach.blogspot.com/
6. www.lmaurerdesign.blogspot.com
7. http://www.takegoodphotos.blogspot.com/
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Contest Entry

Lori Greenberg is running a contest on her blog where the winner receives a copy of Val Cox's awesome book, "Frit Secrets". Here's my entry.......whaddya think???
I love Val's frit & particularly the but one has a cool surface that
Tuesday, March 03, 2009
It's March & we have over a foot of snow!!! YUCK!
Saturday, February 14, 2009
Shoe Shopping & Credit Cards
Long story short, I opened up a new acct., got her 15% off now instead of 10%. We were very good & resisted doing any more shopping except that I needed a new perfume, which is never discounted, but was able to apply the 15% off on that. YAY! A good day was had by all. :-)
Friday, February 06, 2009
BRRRRR!!!!!!
We're supposed to warm up a bit over the weekend. Might even reach 50 degrees! I'm ready for spring! Speaking of which, check out this bead over on etsy. The colors remind me that spring is not too far behind.
etsy
Tuesday, February 03, 2009
Groundhog Day
Monday, January 19, 2009
Just what I need.....
I found it fun though to find people that I know from other places there. I even connected with a cousin's daughter in Belgium. Anyone know an eligible bachelor for a beautiful 35 year old girl? She's willing to come to the States to meet someone.
So I I've missed anyone, please look for me on facebook, Lea Avroch.
Thursday, September 18, 2008
Organization continued.....

I've been trying hard to devote SOME time every day to organizing my work area. I have tons of seedbeads & crystals, not to mention semi-precious stones, sterling silver, findings, etc. So, in searching for that perfect cabinet to put some of the stuff in, I found this great wood CD shelving unit at best buy. And it's on sale for $89.99! BTW, I'm not affiliated with best buy in any way. It's just the perfect size for my needs & if you do a google search you might be able to find a coupon like I did. Mine was a $10 coupon toward my next purchase. Love it! OK, gotta get back to my organizing!
Saturday, September 13, 2008
Organization........NOT!!!!
Her name is Cynthia Braun of Organize Your Life. She's hosting a mini workshop at her house that I'll be attending with my friend in 2 weeks. We'll get a tour of every room in her house & we'll be able to open closets, cabinets, etc. to see how she organizes her house. I'm really looking forward to going. I can't afford to have her come here to help me organize, at least not yet, but maybe I can get some pointers & be inspired to do something with the mess. Funny thing is that I'm finding things I had long forgotten I had & reordered. Well, maybe not so funny actually.
Saturday, September 06, 2008
Beadfest
Chad's a gifted lampworker and an excellent teacher with the patience of a saint. Even with taking notes while he demonstrated I found myself asking a million questions. This is 1 technique that will take quite a bit of practice in order to master it.
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
Oh Gosh!
I came home, had 1 day to do laundry & then headed down south to a lampwork retreat with a friend in Georgia. It was so much fun & the ladies couldn't be nicer. I'm friends with one of them & know another from an online lampwork group, but had never met the last 2 ladies. They were all so sweet. We became fast friends in no time. What a great bunch. I don't know which part of my vacation was better, Europe or the lampwork retreat. And I'm only half joking! ;-)
I'm off again on Wednesday to beadfest Philly. I'm taking a 2 day boro class in a technique that I've been dying to learn for some time now. I'm really looking forward to it. And then I want to come home & practice what I've learned & just veg if you KWIM ;-).
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Softflex Designer Spotlight for May
Tuesday, April 01, 2008
20% off Sale in my Etsy Store Through 4/7
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Northeast Bead Retreat
Monday, March 24, 2008
1st Etsy sale!!! WOOHOO!!!
Wednesday, March 12, 2008
Etsy Shop Open!
http://www.lajewelrydesigns.etsy.com
Friday, February 08, 2008
Happy Birthday to Me :-)!
They say it's your birthday
We're gonna have a good time
I'm glad it's your birthday
Happy birthday to you.
Yes we're going to a party party
Yes we're going to a party party
Yes we're going to a party party.
I would like you to dance--Birthday
Take a cha-cha-cha-chance-Birthday
I would like you to dance--Birthday
Dance
You say it's your birthday
Well it's my birthday too--yeah
You say it's your birthday
We're gonna have a good time
I'm glad it's your birthday
Happy birthday to you.
OK, so Sunday is my birthday. WOOHOO!!! Yes, it's my birthday, but I feel like giving too so I
am offering everything on my site at 30% off from now until Valentine's Day, which as you all know is 2/14. I have no way of discounting the items or at least I don't know how to do it & my
techie son is away at school so rather than bother him, please just e-mail me at lajewelrydesignsATaol.com letting me know which item (s) you'd like to purchase & I will then send you a paypal invoice.
Monday, November 05, 2007
auction won by Bunny Crosson
Tuesday, October 30, 2007
auction to benefit the Susan G Komen Foundation for Breast Cancer Research

I was involved in a colloaborative project, a necklace that was featured in the September/October issue of Belle Armoire. We are 5 members of another yahoo group that created the components for this beautiful piece. We've decided to auction the
necklace off on ebay. Should any of you be interested, here's a link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTUMN-NECKLACE-BELLE-ARMOIRE-SUSAN-G-KOMEN_W0QQitemZ1901680\
35237QQihZ009QQcategoryZ110665QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
or tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/34dgzj
Please note that 100% of the proceeds is being donated to the Susan G
Komen Foundation for Breast Cancer Research. I hope you'll take a look
at this lovely piece and bid generously.
Tuesday, October 09, 2007
Adult Ed class
The projects that I chose for last sessions' classes were a bit challenging for people that had never beaded so I decided to start with a simple stringing project. We made bracelets strung on beading wire with gemstones & crystals. The bracelets came out beautiful & everyone appeared to be enjoying themselves. It was gratifying to see at least 4 people from last session that had signed up for this session. I guess they liked it ;-)!
I'm still working on this coming week's project. The consensus was that they had wanted to make knotted silk cord lariats. These are actually a bit more challenging than one might think for beginners. They're somewhat freeform so although that sounds like it would be easier, it really isn't. I have to check my stock anyway. I'm not sure I have all the materials on hand for it.
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
Collaborative piece in September Belle Armoire
Here's an excerpt from the issue:
Five Jewelry Haven members were inspired by Fall to create a collaborative necklace using various mediums. As the season unfolds with the myriad of colors, they have been inspired to capture the best of the season-the changing leaves - the landscape- the changes in our lives and the constancy of friendship.
Friday, September 14, 2007
Oxycon is working
Tuesday, September 11, 2007
got my new torch & oxycon!
I bought a Knight Bullet Burner & an M20 oxygen concentrator. This is one big torch, let me tell you. I just didn't want to have to upgrade again. I received both of these this week. I drove to Connecticut to pick up the oxycon. I'm a bit bummed cause the oxycon is missing the O2 tube & connector so can't use it till I get replacement parts. The person I bought it from sold out her entire studio & is now not returning calls. Not too cool, if you ask me. Oh well, will just have to be a bit more patient, not my strongest virtue.
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
I found someone selling the torch I'm interested in & someone else selling the oxygen concentrator so everything is right with the world, except of course coming up with the funds for these major purchases, ;-). If taking advantage of the 25% off sale, you'll need to e-mail me at lajewelrydesigns @ aol.com (remove the spaces) & I will invoice you with the discounted pricing.
Wednesday, August 22, 2007
best party ever!!!

I've become close friends with 2 local bead buddies. We get together to bead about once a month. We bead, we laugh, we eat. Is there more to life ;-)? Well, we were supposed to do a party together this past weekend, Soiree we called it. It was hosted by Linda's step daughter. Unfortunately Jean couldn't make it. Her MIL had brain surgery earlier in the week.
Well, Lisa, Linda's daughter, put out a beautiful spread. I was feeling guilty at how much money she must've spent on the food. I'm not sure how many people were actually there, but there was a steady stream and each one was nicer than the next. They enjoyed looking at our jewelry, trying them on &......BUYING!!!! We came away with just shy of $1000 for the night. Now all we need to do is find more folks wanting to host a party. Here's a photo with my side of the table:
Wednesday, July 04, 2007
studio set up
I've been making lampwork beads for over a year now. I tried torching in several different places. First, I tried the back deck. The problem with that I soon found out is that if it's at all windy, it could/would affect the flame.
I then started working at the kitchen table, which was great unless someone in the household actually wanted to eat a meal at the table. So, every night, I'd have to pack up the glass, torch, tools, etc. for the night. This got to be old rather quick so I built myself a little studio in our 1 car garage. When I say little, I mean little.
I built myself a table top using a piece of wood that someone had freecycled. I lined the walls with wonderboard, which is flame retardant. I even built myself a small cabinet to hold all my glass rods. The square dividers that you see are cut up fence posts. For some reason, the Home Depots around here don't stock it so I had those cut down for me by a fellow lampwork artist in Florida.
My kiln sits on the floor since I have insufficient counter space. What you don't see is my fire extinguisher that's mounted on a side wall within arms reach of where I torch ;-).
Here's another view of all my glass. I just looking at it, LOL!
The next photo shows a revolving plexiglass display that I purchased from Tower Records at their Going Out of Business sale. I lov
And here are photos of me actually torching in case you're curious to see.